Hi everyone
This is Suda51 Owner of Cinema51
Hello, this is Sekine Manager of Cinema51
At night I run a pub called Bar Plastic Model
And today we have a special guest
Here he is
I’m Terasawa Hawk Thank you for having me
Thanks for coming
I used to have a series in IGN Japan
Called “Subculture 51”
And I believe you came on as a guest twice, right?
Yeah, usually for topics related to the MCU
He’d come and teach me about the MCU
I’d go on and on for like an hour about the dumbest stuff
It was so much fun
Yeah it was fun
I’d write and talk about all sorts of random stuff
Thanks for coming today
Thanks for having me
KK Yabukiri
Cinema51 Resurrected Korakuen Viewing Room
Today we’re covering Deadpool & Wolverine
To explain today’s film, I’m just gonna read this pamphlet
“The crazy pair has returned to the screen!”
“The merc with a mouth, Deadpool"
"And the immortal outlaw Wolverine"
"Team up to save the world!”
We’ve just watching the world’s first screening this morning
So it’s all off the cuff?
Yeah, we work it out as we go along
We have to watch what we say then
There are things we can’t discuss...
It was awesome
Yeah, it was
We’ll try to avoid spoilers, and bleep out the rest later
Oh OK
So we can’t say stuff like XXXXX
No, no we can’t
Recently I’ve been reading the original X-Men
From around when the story takes place
And it’s super interesting
Yeah it’s really good
The original has amazing world-building
So Wolverine returns, right?
And I’ve been saying I want to make a Deadpool game for awhile now
I’ve spoken about it several times before
But I haven’t gotten any offers
I still hope to make one someday, but game development has a lot of moving parts
Anyway, I love the character
And it was great seeing it with everyone on the first day
It was so cool
I’ve heard that Ryan Reynolds had been wanting to play Deadpool for years
And he’d been shopping it around for a long time
In order to get the project and production schedule OK’d
He’d go so far as leaking info himself
Really?!
Yeah, that’s how badly he wanted to make the movie
The character is extremely appealing
You can tell the actor has put his soul into it
Yeah, I agree
And there’s Wolverine...
Everyone loves Wolverine
Everyone loves Hugh Jackman
Hugh Jackman...
Wolverine was supposed to be dead
I loved the movie Logan, too
It was such a masterpiece, but...
I can’t watch it more than once
It’s just too rough
It makes me cry
Yeah, you gotta cry at that ending
Now he’s back, in the yellow suit you see in the comics, cartoons, and games
We finally got to see him how we’ve been wanting to see him
Like when he puts the mask on
I loved that aspect
The two actors are friends, and they’re both basically those characters now
Like Robert Downey Jr. as Iron Man, the actor and character are tied together
It feels a lot like that
Yeah it does
They looked like they were having a lot of fun
And that made it even better
The fight scene inside the car was awesome
Yeah it was
I wonder why they messed with the Odyssey so much?
Yeah, really
What was that about, anyway?
I don’t know why it was an Odyssey
I guess Honda was probably happy about it, though
There’s something I really wanted to ask Terasawa
After the movie, there were a few things I still didn’t get
The part with XXXXX
At the end, after the credits
XXXXX comes out...
Yeah
That was “multi”, right?
Yeah, that was “multi”...
As in “multiverse”
So is XXXXX still there in the multiverse?
Both XXXXX and that girl
The multiverse still exists in the MCU
Yeah
Deadpool said so, too...
He said so, but like...
How’s that gonna work out?
So all these different timelines have split up, and still exist
One of them is the timeline we know as “Earth-616”
And that one is known as the “Sacred Timeline”
Loki is out there maintaining and controlling the Sacred Timeline
And there currently aren’t supposed to be any increasing or decreasing timelines
So when XXXXX appears at XXXXX
That means the world she came from must still be out there somewhere
In a remaining timeline
How are they gonna fix that?
And will they?!
I feel like they probably won’t
Yeah, seeing how this worked out...
Taking it any further could than this...
The kids are gonna get “multiversed out”
Like getting tired of their smartphones
I feel like people will start getting tired of the multiverse
So is there a set number of worlds in the multiverses then?
No, there are an infinite number
“I’m well-versed in the multiverse”
So the TVA maintains the past and future, not the multiverse?
It’s connected together like a thread and that’s called a timeline
And they split off from that
Sekine, please check out Loki
Both seasons 1 and 2 of Loki are really good
Loki is the TV series, right?
Yeah, that's right
Even if this movie was your first experience with the MCU
I feel like it had the power to make you want to watch the other stuff
It piques your interest
I’ve been reading the Krakoa arc of the X-Men comic recently
It’s one of the most recent ones
The whole story is so interesting
And scale-wise, it’s huge
It’s probably too big to turn into a movie
But I’d like to see them take things in that direction
If they did that, it could be a whole new style of movie
Yeah, I agree
Marvel Studios has made a whole bunch of MCU movies
But they’ve barely touched on the X-Men stories so far
I want to see how they handle this huge mountain of material
But Marvel Studios tends to take stuff that you’d assume they would save for later
And just drop it in suddenly
Oh really?
Like Captain America, the fourth movie will be coming out soon
And there was that Winter Soldier movie, right?
That part of the Captain America story had been going on for 10~20 years
And it was a really big event then
With Bucky, who was supposed to be dead
It was such a huge thing
But they stuck it into the second movie, which was a real surprise
And after that, they did Civil War, another huge event in the comics
They keep tossing in all these huge milestones from the original comics
I can’t wait to see the next one
So if they keep on going with X-Men...
There’s a high chance they’ll suddenly throw in something huge
Like maybe the Mars story...?
They just might, yeah
The X-Men are on Earth
Where there’s a battle going on between humans and mutants, who have trouble coexisting
So they head off to Mars
Which they terraform using their X-Men powers
And declare themselves the rulers of Mars
That’s where the story is going now
If they have to fight with humans, they decide it’d be better to leave Earth
So they go to Mars to terraform it?
Yeah, that's right
And they come to Earth sometimes for trade and things like that
They have their own politics, too
I wonder if they’d take the movies in that direction?
Are there enough action elements to that story, though?
Oh yeah, totally
They have plenty of enemies
And there are still people trying to kill off the mutants
In the original comics, does Deadpool fail to join the X-Men and Avengers?
He joins and leaves the Avengers a few times
Oh, so he is able to join, then?
He really looks up to Captain America...
Oh, so that base does exist?
Yeah, and the Deadpool comic series started like 20-something years ago
And I remember really looking forward to reading it every month
It ends once after 50 or 100 issues, something like that
Seeing that sort of character, sort of forced into the position of saving the world
And while being nervous not knowing when the series is gonna get cut off
Was really emotional for me
After that he became popular again and the series continued
But yeah, I remember really being into the original series
He’s mainly affiliated with X-Force, not the actual X-Men, right?
Yeah, that’s right
But he’s actually been involved with lots of different groups
In the comics?
Yeah
I think he’s a convenient character, really happy-go-lucky
He really changes the mood
He breaks the fourth wall and talks to the reader a lot
And when he makes these meta comments in the comics
The people around him are like, “What the hell is he talking about?”
I think they handled that really well
So in the movies, when he talks to the audience
He’ll probably be handled similarly, with the others wondering who he’s talking to
XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX
Oh, yeah
They really went there...
That was quick
Their adoration of XXXXX was crazy
XXXXX’s flying car was mixed in with that “rough rider”-style car group
Oh yeah, with the “4” on it!
Ah, so that’s what it meant?
I was wondering why it had “4” on it
That’s XXXXX’s XXXXX car
I gotcha
I was like “Wow!”
So they basically borrowed it?
Yeah, I think so
I think XXXXX must’ve driven it in
Yeah, or maybe they stole it
Oh, and the “Thank you, 20th Century Fox!” part at the end
I think it was around 2016, but there were two XXXXX panels in it
Oh, really?!
The movie Chronicle was directed by Josh Trank, and...
Oh, he directed Chronicle?
Yeah, they were like “We’re gonna leave it up to this up-and-coming genius!”
And then he ended up getting fired
Simon Kinberg was involved in it, too
And he was the director of Dark Phoenix, one of the later X-Men movies
I think he was a writer and later became a producer, and was really big at one point
At some Comic-Con, Kinberg said something like
"This Josh Trank guy is really talented, I’m gonna leave everything to him”
He said really good things about him
But Trank was pretty young and didn’t do well with really big productions
And he ended up fighting with the company and having problems on set
So Kinberg called Fox and said, “Trank is too dangerous, you gotta fire this dude”
Seriously?! That’s f*cked up!
That dude is unbelievable
Kinberg got involved with Star Wars as well
And nowadays you don’t even hear Trank’s name anymore
Yeah, he basically got cancelled, huh?
It’s like, what even happened to that guy?!
He’ll probably pop up again in a few years
Yeah, totally
Those guys always make a comeback someday
They find a way somehow
They’re basically conmen, using that big money
So Terasawa, you’ve actually seen Fantastic Four?
Yeah, I saw it
I’ve never met anyone who’s seen it before!
I saw it on Wikipedia and was like “Wow, this was a thing?!”
I got invited to a screening in Shinjuku
They said “Please come, you’ve got to come!”
So I went
There were all these big-name writers and influencers and stuff
Then at the end, they said “Thanks for coming, everyone!”
“We have (some idol) here today!”
She was like “It was so much fun!”
“OK everyone, we’re gonna take a photo with (whatever idol)!”
“Please stand up!”
“Do the Fantastic Four pose!”
And they took a photo
I was like, “There’s no way I’m standing up...”
There’s a sequel planned for Fantastic Four
You mean the reboot?
The actors have all been cast
Pedro Pascal?
Yeah, Pedro Pascal
They’ve got some really good actors
I’m looking forward to this one
XXXXX is properly XXXXX
Yeah, they did that right
But you never know, with the multiverse and all...
Wolverine “came back”, but technically XXXXX
Yeah, they XXXXX
I mean, the grave was...
Yeah, it’s right there
Yeah, exactly
What did you think of the opening scene?
Where he kills those guys while dancing to music
It kinda felt like they were shitting on the movie Logan
I mean, I get it – if you’re gonna do it, you gotta go all the way
I understand, and I accept it, but I do have mixed feelings
Digging up the grave and all
Yeah, digging up the grave
I can’t watch Logan again after this
After the ending to Logan, I know Deadpool’s gonna...
They put that cross up and everything...
Oh man, that scene... That was super emotional
But the grave we saw in Logan isn’t necessarily THIS Logan’s grave
It could just be a similar situation somewhere else in the multiverse
The “Logan’s grave” we cried over might still be left pristine somewhere
Let’s just assume that
Yeah, let’s assume that’s right
I just thought of this, but no matter what’s said or how you feel
Once you hear “multiverse” it sort of all falls apart
This includes having an immortal joining the Avengers, too
But I’m worried I’m gonna stop caring about what happens
Yeah, that’s true
But anyway, the first scene was awesome
It was really cool
I get what they were going for
And the feeling that something awesome is about to start
Was really exciting
Yeah, totally
The sense of “Oh hey, look who it is!”
XXXXX appears
Yeah, I was like “It’s XXXXX!”
“Hey, it’s XXXXX!” And then “Oh, it’s actually XXXXX!”
They did that really well
Yeah, they did
That was a surprise, the whole audience got excited
Like you think Choshu’s coming, but it’s actually Keisuke
Yeah, exactly! That’s a perfect example!
The Easter eggs were cool
I went in assuming there was gonna be something
And it definitely didn’t disappoint
The way they wasted the cameos, or rather went all-in on the cameos...
They’ve been having bad things happen to the cameos since the last movie
Yeah, like with Brad Pitt
He was only visible for a second
Then he dies
You kinda expect that stuff now
So we’ve got the Avengers coming up
The Avengers are teaming up again
The movie has been announced, so are these two finally gonna be in it?
What do you think, Terasawa?
These two can’t die, and one of them keeps breaking the fourth wall
“Well, this is a movie...” “This is just a comic...”
He’s aware of that
When you include these guys, are we supposed to take the fact
that the Avengers are gonna save the world seriously?
And that anyone could die at any time?
They’re supposed to be fighting to the death, right?
Probably, yeah
And then you have these dudes...
It’s not gonna work out
I don’t think it’d work out
It kinda kills the excitement
So if these two could just give us a couple more crazy adventures...
They could just show up to help sometimes, too
Yeah, exactly
I feel like that would probably be best
These two are big stars now, right?
I sort of worry whether an Avengers movie with them would work out
There aren’t really any big stars in the cast right now
Ah, I see
I think about that sometimes, too
They could start up Phase 4 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe
and use these guys to help boost their next-generation costars
So while I do wonder if it’d work out, try thinking back to Phase 1...
Back then we worried about whether the Avengers would work out
We used to talk about it at the bar: “They’re doing solo movies? Wow...”
“Is this gonna work?”
“I mean I’ll totally go see it, but just Captain America? Really?”
We knew it would be OK, having played the games and read the comics
And it totally worked out!
They built each character up properly...
Yeah, they know what they’re doing
Considering that, with this studio it’s pretty much guaranteed to work
The next 20 years are gonna be exciting
It’s basically a 20-year cycle, right? A 10- or 20-year cycle
Yeah, they’re thinking really far ahead
KK Yabukiri
Cinema51 Resurrected Korakuen Viewing Room
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Today’s special guest was Terasawa Hawk
Thank you for having me
Thanks a lot!
Please come back again
Definitely!
Come back whenever we do Marvel or DC movies, or any superhero stuff
Thanks for the invitation
James Gunn has a DC movie coming out soon
What’s up with that face?!
I know James Gunn personally so I’d love to have you come back then
No, I like those movies
I just have some mixed emotions about them
Yeah, me too, I get it
That’s BECAUSE we like them
Yeah, exactly
I wonder what they’re gonna do with Flash?
Yeah...