Lesser known 3d action games?

This is the place where you get to bitch & whine about that highly undignified console war. PSBore, XBONE, Pii U? You have no dignity. Pssh, none have dared or even succeeded to levitate themselves to the level of the PC MASTER RACE. Personally, I for one prize the sweet primal instincts of Arcade games.

Moderator: Xed51

User avatar
Xed51
Giant Smile
Posts: 371
Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:52 pm

Lesser known 3d action games?

Post by Xed51 »

Most recently I've been playing 3d action games almost exclusively, I've gone through the devil may cry series, Ninja Gaiden Black & 2 (haven't got razor's edge yet), the god of war games (not the new one, I don't give a shit. I like the older games even though they're pretth shallow), God Hand, Metal Gear Rising, Bayonetta 1&2.
I really want to try something different. Do you guys have any suggestions? I remember Jack really liked Urban Reign, I've never tried that one.
I tried to play sekiro a bunch of times but that's just boring as all hell for me. Are the PS2 Shinobi games any good? What about that Ninja Gaiden clone that from software made?
Image

User avatar
Iwazaru
qishmish
Posts: 225
Joined: Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:58 am

Re: Lesser known 3d action games?

Post by Iwazaru »

Why Sekiro is boring though? Did that gif from twitter that impressed ya was a lie, lol? :D

PS2 Shinobi & Nightshade are pretty awesome. They have very nice feel of rhythm to them. And i'd say they are slightly closer to philosophy of NG games rather than DMC - in a way that they are more about defeating opponents quick and efficient (while still looking stylish as well), while bayo/dmc is "hey i m so cool i can juggle in 40 diff ways on this enemy". Also, making chain combos in those shinobi games feel very satisfying. Btw, Nightshade has expanded moveset with more moves, but Shinobi has better balance, imho. Note, though, both have some crazy platforming sections, which might scare off people, lol (but i enjoy those moments when you dont have fucking ground under legs so your only way is jumping from monster to monster with some wall running).

From Software's Ninja Blade, i enjoyed it, but it's basically "B-movie game". It's hilarious and epic if you are into silly horror ninja mutant stuff, also night view of tokyo is gorgeous, and huge flies and spiders are eeeew. Gameplay itself is basic. It works, but cant be compared to highlights of genre, and many specials or whatever are not really being used in it. Better than KiD, perhaps, though (?).

You may actually enjoy other "low tier" entries, well. Like that Bujingai game that features Gackt, or Chaos Legion, which plenty of people liked more than any dmc.

Speaking of, be sure to check out that hilariously funny ps1 game called Rising Zan: Samurai Gunman. It's kind of proto-dmc/proto-godhand, though ofc its basic in mechanics. But you ll laugh ur azz loud when play, its that ridiculous.
wow.. we're sky high.. that shark we just jumped over is tiny.. we're so high right now (c)

User avatar
Krizzx
Bombhead Smile
Posts: 179
Joined: Tue Feb 04, 2020 4:03 am

Re: Lesser known 3d action games?

Post by Krizzx »

The Warriors



Crime Life Gang War if you are in to that sort of thing



Beat Down: Fists of Vengeance



Spikeout: Battle Stret(Only on original Xbox1)



All I can thing of on PS2. The rest would be movie\comic games like Blade, Ninja Turtles and Batman.

Maybe Blood Rayne 2? Its guess its more of a hack and slash in a way. BR1 was definitely a beat'em up, but it was kind of jank.


User avatar
Iwazaru
qishmish
Posts: 225
Joined: Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:58 am

Re: Lesser known 3d action games?

Post by Iwazaru »

Oh, one more thing. There were these two russian animoo games.

First one was called X-Blades aka Oniblade. It's more trashy.


Sequel, Blades of Time, is more polished and well made, also with interesting mechanics (you can use your time loop clones to attack or operate differently at same time moment).


Both were ported to x360 or ps3 or both from pc

edit:
You might also enjoy Malicious perhaps



edit2:

On a slightly offtopic note, i really liked FF Type-0 gameplay, it felt like beatemup with tons of characters that have different moveset and skills that are fun to unlock and use, and i think that FF XV downgraded combat in comparison to it. I've no idea what Tabata will do nowodays. Gaymerz seem to hate him and his games with passion, including 3rd Birthday (which i investigated, and its damn fun action actually), and now he creates some game for paralympic sport.
wow.. we're sky high.. that shark we just jumped over is tiny.. we're so high right now (c)

User avatar
Jack
Broken Smile
Posts: 492
Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:09 pm

Re: Lesser known 3d action games?

Post by Jack »

I remember Jack really liked Urban Reign
It's easily the best action game PS2 had, but PS2's games weren't even that good to begin with. (It's basically just a Jrpg machine. Everything else from that era looks & plays like shit. Just look at Resident Evil 4 PS2, lol.) During that era, Xbox had the best games, that barely anyone played coz it was Xbox.

Urban Reign is a fighting game, It's basically Smash Bros in the ghetto starring Not-Brad Pitt and random hot asian slut with yuge tits. I like how it starts off with American gangs, then moves up to Paramilitary groups & escaped prisoners, then it moves up to triads & yakuza, then finally you fight some Coporatist faggot and kill him in one hit :lol:

This faggot seems to be playing on easy coz the Kill Bill guy usually kils you the instant he slashes your throat.

The part with the American politician really is like that though, it's like an ode to 80s action movies.
You how in the 80s, the main bad guy was always a rich corporatist in a suit?
He is your avg asshole, taking complete advantage over the lower social economic classes. Urban Reign basically has the same story that Bare Knuckle 3 had. (Murican government is behind all of the gang warfare & criminal enterprises.) I specify BK3 coz Streets of Rage 3 had a completely different story, that didn't even make any fucking sense lol.

Till this day, there hasn't been a single 3d action game that's anywhere the level of Ninja Gaiden 1 (all versions are good including Sigma.), (Xbox360) NG2, & Urban Reign.
Smash Bros Ultimate is actually like a 2d version of what Urban Reign was. In Urban Reign you could catch weapons in mid-air then throw it back at your opponent. You could run on walls & then jump off of them.
I though UR & NG were going to be the future of action games, but nope they turned out to be the only action games that play anything like that.


I think game devs purposely make games shitty on purpose to lower our standards coz the only thing that even comes remotely close to what NG & UR were are the Batman Arkham games, and those games have fucking horrible combat, but it's like an extremely easy mode version of UR & NG were.

Seriously I wouldn't even bother with this genre. The entire genre sucks aside for Ninja Gaiden, Urban Reign, DMC & Platinum Games. Even then the latter two don't even compare to the former two imo.
The Warriors
This one is actually pretty good. The Warriors is actually the closest thing we've ever had to a proper follow up to Final Fight (Yes, it's way better than the actual ff sequel, Streetwise.) & Streets of Rage. It's not on Urban Reign or NG's level at all, but I prefer it over the likes of DMC or Bayonetta coz it's just a good ol bloody brutal, ghetto-ass Brawler. You get your own crew, you vandalize and intimidate the entire crowd. You could cuss at random bystanders & beat them up. Man they don't make games like that anymore. It even had a lot of prostitutes you could abuse. I liked it, it felt so real.
It wasn't this overexaggerated bullshit like in GTA5 where they do these ill-planned bank heists but still get away with it. In The Warriors you simply pick up a brick and throw it at a window & steal some shit, lol.
You could buy drugs then kill the drug dealer, lol. Too bad you couldn't do the same to random whores walking around town.

The only thing I don't like about The warriors, is the shitty ass control scheme which is a problem for all rockstar games. The combat looks really simplre when compared to Urban Reign but the simple brutality of The Warriors more then makes up for it. I like how you could just curb stomp fools to death, again, it just felt so real. I don't get that feeling from modern games, even though modern games have much better gfx.

It's what I fucking hate about video games these days. How they're not ghetto anymore? I really don't like that stupid demon & angel shit from DMC/Bayonetta. Xed is right about DMC1 doing it way better than the rest of the series coz the enemy designs
actually tried to implement paranormal elements such as the enemies just being possessed items rather than generic-looking demons.


Urban Reign actually still looks good when compared to today's games but even Urban Reign's violence felt way more brutal & real, and it doesn't even have any blood. When you ignore the stupid juggle combos, the attacks in UR & the damage they did to the body felt so real. Everything they did to each other looked so painful. Well the guys at least. The Chinese babe does some shitty looking wing chun crap which doesn't work in real life anyway. She's even one of the shittiest character so go figure.

Maybe Blood Rayne 2? Its guess its more of a hack and slash in a way.
Again this is what I'm talking about. How come video games aren't anywhere this brutal anymore?
I mean sure, there's that stupidass Mortal Kombat crap where the violence just way too excessive, and also over produced. What I liked about stuff like Ninja Gaiden & BloodRayne is how gutter trash these games feel. Gore in NG & BR works coz you're trying to kill everyone as fast as possible.

Mortal Kombat XI, X and what not creep me the fuck out coz the gore is treated like a fetish. (Crazy ass White people. Hate sex, but they love rotting skulls.) They zoom up on the gore, and then act like it's supposed to be funny. NG3 is just as violent, but as I said, in those types of games the gore is really more of a representation of how efficient Ryu & BR slut are as assassins.

They're going for instant kills rather than making some gore-porn like MK. LIke shit, Dead or Alive is nowhere near as explicit as MK even when it comes to the tits & ass, but for some reason in the USA, DOA is treated like a NC-17 game. Whereas MKXI is played by 8 year olds. I'm in my late 30s, I love horror movies but MKXI disgusts the shit out of me due to how fetishized the gore is.

What I really hate about modern video games is how fake everything looks & feels.
It's prolly why Marvel Crap Universe movies are so popular, because they look & feel just as fake.
I miss the days when games & movies took place at strip clubs, bars, then it continued out into the streets and then eventually the park, or a skyscraper. (Xenoblade 2's final level actually is a skyscraper lol. The motherfucker so big it takes you 3 chapters to climb it, about 30 hours of game time.)
ImageImage
Va11 Hall-a Faggot: He's such a Chad. I bet he fucks an Asian bitch every night.
CapN Jack: Who the fuk These moFuggaz? :lol:

User avatar
Xed51
Giant Smile
Posts: 371
Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:52 pm

Re: Lesser known 3d action games?

Post by Xed51 »

Why Sekiro is boring though? Did that gif from twitter that impressed ya was a lie, lol?
I gave it a second chance specifically because I saw some gifs and videos from people who made the game look entertaining. But that's really not how you're intended to play it, that's just people showing off. I must have played the game for four or five hours and got to the second or third boss fight (depending on wether you count the first one that you're not meant to win) and the game feels as slow and sluggish as a souls game to me. Granted the swordplay is faster but it also has the worst stealth in any game ever made
It's not that I hate it or want to go after it, I just get bored to tears playing it
Better than KiD, perhaps, though (?).
I kinda like KiD but whoever says that the gameplay has depth is insane. I played that game on the highest difficulty and tested out all the moves you can unlock and nothing really makes a difference on enemy reactions. Fucking lollipop chainsaw had more depth lol.
Then again I have heard that NMH2 has "good gameplay", even though it's a clunky 30fps button mashing game where you do nothing but hack away at enemies with inflated health pools for hours and hours, where the bosses aren't even designed around the new mechanics (that is to say dodging) until the last two or three, that is possibly the worst game I have ever played.

I don't mind shallow games if they're fun mind you. I would say god of war and metal gear rising are pretty shallow but I still like them.
You may actually enjoy other "low tier" entries, well. Like that Bujingai game that features Gackt, or Chaos Legion, which plenty of people liked more than any dmc.

Speaking of, be sure to check out that hilariously funny ps1 game called Rising Zan: Samurai Gunman.
I'll make a note of all of these thanks
The Warriors
I've been meaning to play this in forever but I keep forgetting about it, same with bloodrayne which I think I actually got for free on GOG at some point
Seriously I wouldn't even bother with this genre. The entire genre sucks aside for Ninja Gaiden, Urban Reign, DMC & Platinum Games. Even then the latter two don't even compare to the former two imo.
I've just played these games so much I want to do something different, I don't mind if the games are not as good or kinda shallow. As I said, I really liked the god of war series (I only recently played through all of them recently, I only played through 1&2 as a kid) and those games are pretty simple. They make up for it with overall spectacle and fun enemy encounters.
I tried to play Asura's Wrath and that was just straight up garbage though
Mortal Kombat XI, X and what not creep me the fuck out coz the gore is treated like a fetish. (Crazy ass White people. Hate sex, but they love rotting skulls.) They zoom up on the gore, and then act like it's supposed to be funny.
I do find exaggerated gore to be funny, when it gets to a point where it basically feels like a cartoon. Some scenes of Kill Bill come to mind, or Death Proof. But I never could understand MK because the gore lacks all context. It's not even part of the setting LOL noone ever fucking dies in those games. Yet they're supposed to be brutalizing each other constantly when you actually play it.
I get in the 90s, the fact that MK had blood and fatalities was revolutionary and kinda funny but it wasn't as overexaggerated as it is now. I guess that's their way of staying relevant but that strikes me as a misguided priority when the games themselves suck dick
Image

User avatar
Xed51
Giant Smile
Posts: 371
Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:52 pm

Re: Lesser known 3d action games?

Post by Xed51 »

Gaymerz seem to hate him and his games with passion, including 3rd Birthday (which i investigated, and its damn fun action actually)
Third Birthday is surprisingly fun on a first playthrough, and has some game mechanics I haven't seen implemented in ages (the body jacking in that game, felt like a more advanced version of mind hacking from the ps2 ghost in the shell game)
It does get boring on higher difficulties though, when you're supposed to grind out your levels, your weapons and everything just for a slightly faster kill at a boss with an overinflated life bar.
Still, that's a minor complaint considering the world would have you believe it's the worst game ever produced. It had a stupid ass plot but so did PE2 really. PE1 was the only game in the series with both good writing and good gameplay.
I have not played enough of Type0 to pass judgement, but I will say most action RPGs tend to feel like a downgrade compared to kingdom hearts. Yeah I know fucking kingdom hearts, but 2 and 3 when played on critical (the difficulty meant for adult players) basically play like proper action games where you die in 2/3 hits and you have to memorise enemy patterns and enemy spawns to survive. They even include super hard post game boss battles. Shit always gets fucking crazy by the endgame where you're teleporting around, deflecting lasers and all sorts of dragonball Z type shit, except you're always in control.

(I'm actually going through the kh3 DLC right now; I would argue that all the 13 data fights are harder than the lingering will ever was, but it may just be the fact that they're new while I've been playing kh2 for 15 years LOL. I've only managed to get through 2 of them in five days or so. I just find it hilarious that a game starring donald duck and fucking goofy fighting anime characters has way more complex enemy patterns and requires faster reaction times than most "hardcore" games targeted at "adults".)

What I mean by downgrade, is that in kh2 and 3 (moreso 2, 3 is a bit imbalanced but 2 also had like four or five re-releases over 15 years until it fixed every single issue) everything in your arsenal has a specific function in a specific situation. Most other action RPGs rely more on grinding stats (The postgame fights for kh2 and 3 are balanced around you having maxed out your level, gear and abilities so it's not like you can grind your way past them.) to hack away at enemies faster, and most of your arsenal of moves you're never actually going to use. When I first tried FFXV I fought some random monsters in the wilderness and I thought it was going to be fun because the gameplay would eventually build upon itself with all the teleporting stuff. Turns out that no nothing happens, enemy patterns are nowhere near as complex as those in a game with mickey fucking mouse (what a joke) and you never really do much besides dodging and attacking, grinding for stats and gear to hack away at enemies slightly faster
Image

User avatar
Jack
Broken Smile
Posts: 492
Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:09 pm

Re: Lesser known 3d action games?

Post by Jack »

I really liked the god of war series (I only recently played through all of them recently, I only played through 1&2 as a kid) and those games are pretty simple. They make up for it with overall spectacle and fun enemy encounters.
Yeah God of War 2 & Ghost of Sparta are classics (I basically like every GOW except the first PSP game & GOW4, but I'm in the minority only coz these Nu-fags aren't even GOW fans to begin with.), but it's basically its own genre. The entire genre are basically GOW clones like Dante's Inferno or Spartan Total Warrior. Not a single one of them understood that GOW is only good because it's directed like an Epic movie, where everything comes off as a Legend being told in real time.
Which is what I was trying to fucking make a thread out of
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=24
but you fucking faggots don't fucking understand what the word "Epic" means.

Speaking of which, this is epic.

That scene establishes that Kratos lost every single thing in his life and that's actually played out through gameplay but I'd still count it as a cutscene coz of how cinematic it's presented.

Another gameplay scene, that I would also consider as epic coz that entire setpiece plays out like a movie.

I don't understand how GOW went from that to

this.

Kratos was fighting these battles of epic proportions to him having a hard time trying to fight off some Manlet.
He even has his wife's son helping him out but still has a hard time dealing with Connor Mcgreegor lol.


The Warriors is good, for practically the same reason that GOW is good, they're both extremely cinematic & immersive. The Warriors feels as though you really are part of a gang. You really don't see games like The Warriors anymore coz everything is sanitized for Gen Z & Younger Millenials who would most likely cry just from seeing how gangsters actually are, lol.
Still, that's a minor complaint considering the world would have you believe it's the worst game ever produced. It had a stupid ass plot but so did PE2 really. PE1 was the only game in the series with both good writing and good gameplay.
Motherfucker, Do you honestly need to be told the difference between generic-sequel fodder like Parasite Eve 2 to a franchise-killer like The Turd Birthday? How do you even recover from The Turd Birthday? You don't, that's why the series is dead.
RetardEra is 100% right about PE3.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/in-the ... day.76217/

I'll just quote that part coz it's the most funny and reeks of amateur 'WHAT-A-TWEEST!' writing that Neil Breen would be envious of.
In the Grand Babel, it is revealed that the true villain all along was Hyde! He manipulated Aya to fight and kill the Twisted just so that the Babels would eventually merge or something, which would create the Grand Babel (which is actually an Overdive System itself, somehow), just so he could go back to a place called "Time Zero." Hyde is also a "High One" Twisted too. Aya beats Hyde, and follows him back into Time Zero, who Hyde boasts as the "birthplace of the Twisted."

It turns out that Time Zero is actually point where Aya was going to marry Kyle. But that was cut short when a random SWAT Team busts in and kills both Aya and Kyle. But remember Eve? Yeah, Eve (the same Eve from Parasite Eve 2, who was actually a child clone of Aya who was designed to control humans who mutated into grotesque forms due to out of control, artificial mitochondria) was also in attendance. Due to the shock of seeing Aya die, Eve spontaneously got the power to Overdive; she Overdived into Aya, which in turn shattered Aya's soul. The fragments of Aya's shattered soul created the Twisted tentacle monsters which could travel time and space (and killed humans indiscriminately). Also, Hyde, Cray, and Gabrielle just happened to be at this wedding despite how Aya did not really know any of them yet. Because they were there, the shattered fragments of Aya's soul turned them into High One Twisted! So you were not playing as Aya all along, but her underage adopted clone sister in a 30 year old's body. Eve/Aya fights and beats Hyde, and Eve/Aya gets the chance to travel back to the start of Time Zero!
They killed off Aya Brea and on top of that the plot makes zero fucking sense, coz it tries to be philosophical like Xenoblade, but it can't pull it off coz Toriyama only watches anime, lol! With Xenoblade, I can pinpoint where a lot of their references came from. They even reference actual scientific studies & theories in their plots which makes the writing much more engaging.

A lot of people hate Xenoblade 2 for being too shonen & animu. If you go on gamefags, all you see are "intellectual-know-it-alls' talking trash about the story, but to me, they just come off as imbeciles who don't read much so they can't appreciate how well-referenced the Xenoblade games are.
Xenoblade even takes the time to elaborate on its theories too, so it's not the typical Western-game tripe where all they do is name drop their references.

Nope in XB games, the entire philsophy of the game seems to revolve around the string-theory as well as Atlantean or Mu legends (except it's set far in the future so the modern-day society we live in today is XB's Mu continent, lol.) and I find it to be one of the most imaginative settings coz the XB games understood their topic so well that both XB2 & XB1 revolve around a dude who seems to eventually become a 6D being which allowed him to recreate the Big Bang.

From what we see in XB1 & Xb2, this resulted into two worlds that we know of which were birthed from him. The XB2 world is actually Earth that he tried to repopulate after it was destroyed by the big bang. The interesting part is how XB2's evolution-cycle is nothing at all like the one that we're familiar with which is why it resembles a fantasy-world.
XB1 world is contested between him and a scientist babe (who both have godly forms in the new world.) who tried to stop him from using the tech that caused a big bang coz none of them knew what it was actually going to do.




That crap is interesting as fuck to me coz it hasn't been done in video games before. The actual fiction sounds like something I've read from straight out of a Dune novel.
Even better, XB never once uses the term 6d or even 4d. It's something that's just implied through the writing if you're smart enough to understand what the game is actually talking about.

It's similar to how K7 is basically MKultra, and it fits it to a tee with Garcian's reveal, and how Bloodborne is one of the only games that actually understood the true horror of Lovecraft, which is decadence.
Although Lovecraft wrote about decadence that's spread like a virus through the culture. FromSoft didn't do that coz they'd prob get called AlT-right or some other stupid bullshit, lol. The important part is that Bloodborne shows a functional civilization that you watch decay due to the influence of the blood of the beast. It's easy to understand what FromSoft is implicating though if you notice the Lovecraftian themes, setting & lore.
That's Turd Birthday's problem. The writing is so random, but it tries hard to imitate a writing style that's similar to a K7, a Xenoblade or a Bloodborne but it falls flat coz it's not based off of anything that's real.


Then you get to something like The Turd Birthday. I don't understand what the fuck is going on at all. You're playing as Aya's non-biological sister from PE2, who is stuck inside of Aya's body and well I can't really explain it because the plot is not based off of anything. Toriyama just makes crazy-shit up as he goes along. He did the same thing with Lightning Returns where he tries to make it biblical like a Xeno game, but he completely fucks that up too coz he doesn't know anything about any of the bibles, lol. Toriyama just writes whatever he thinks sounds cool, regardless of how much sense it makes.

PE2 had a boring plot, but it was boring coz it made sense and had zero twists. Aya left the NYPD, joined some monster-special ops force and the entire game is her trying to solve one case. It's basic Movie-sequel fodder, but it works.
It had good gameplay and that's all that mattered.
Turd Brithday's writing is so bad that it actually ruins the experince. Maeda was actually a beloved character from PS1, but he's just a weird perverted pedo in 3rd Birthday. He's one of the only ones who knows who 'Aya' really is. That's even worse, coz he doesn't seem to give a shit about what happened to Aya lol.



BTW this RetardEra post had me laughing coz it's true.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/in-the ... t-14045595
I'd rather deal with all that than Ys 8's 35-40 hour cliche "stuck on an island" story for a majority of the game, where basically nothing happens. The story gets decent when the only relevant character joins near the end. I've never actually hated a story as much as Ys 8. I'd rather watch a boring movie with at least somewhat of a plot over the literal "we gotta git off dis island" for 40 hours.
That's usually how I describe Ys8's plot to everyone. I didn't mind it during the first playthrough though, but that game is impossible to replay due to how much filler that game's plot is.
Xenoblade 2 is basically a good Ys8, lol. Both games even revolve around exientialism. Ys8 had a unique take where the concept of evolution itself was the main conflict so Adol & crew tried to prevent evolution from happening, lol. (They fail of course. That's Dana's Lacrimosa. She's basically Jesus and sacrificed everything so Adol & friends can continue to be retards traveling around the world.)

Xenoblade games are post-conception, but XB1 & XB2 showed two different evolutionary timelines and the part of the game we're playing is the end of their evolutionary cycyle. XB2's evoltutionary cycle was actually destroyed in Xb2 Torna which is what led to the events in XB2.
XB2 Torna is also 80% filler but it's a short 10 hour game so it doesn't really matter. The parts that aren't filler are so damn epic that it's basically the main conflict of the main game.
ImageImage
Va11 Hall-a Faggot: He's such a Chad. I bet he fucks an Asian bitch every night.
CapN Jack: Who the fuk These moFuggaz? :lol:

User avatar
Xed51
Giant Smile
Posts: 371
Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:52 pm

Re: Lesser known 3d action games?

Post by Xed51 »

Oh I'm not defending the third birthday's plot. It is very much idiotic, the reason it doesen't make any sense it's because it tries to establish a time loop where Hyde wants to go back to time zero to gain power (somehow), but maya brea travelling inside aya's body (somehow) when she's killed by special forces (it's not established why they're there LOL) as a reaction to hyde's plot is what causes the time loop in the first place.
It doesen't make any sense, I'm just saying the game itself has some fun gameplay which is pretty unique to this day, though it's not a masterpiece or anything. I basically said it was all right for one playthrough lol.
I make fun of kingdom heart's plot for having donald duck have epic showdowns with anime characters

But the plot of kingdom hearts actually used to make more sense than the third birthday, or final fantasy XV for that matter because it relied on a scarce resource (hearts/souls) that is harnessed by different outfits for different objectives.
Once you gather enough souls the door to Kingdom Hearts / God is opened and you can reshape the universe. You could just replace souls with money, and the gathering of coin is what allows you to reshape society through economic power lol.
(Or it may have been grain in the classical era.)
Granted it eventually devolves in people time travelling all over the place to the point where the final game is basically about five different versions of the MC fighting five different versions of the villains who all travelled through time as souls and landed in replicant vessels (LOL!) but my purpose was not to argue that kingdom hearts has some fantastic plot, just that a game with mickey mouse and donald duck makes more sense than PE3 and FFXV.
Most plots centered around consolidation of power, actually rely on the collection and holding of scarcities. In Deus Ex Bob Page consolidates power by engineering a disease of which only he owns the vaccine.
Most videogame plots are completely detatched from reality though. The plot of PE3 makes no sense because the main villain is after "power" by going through a timeloop that turns people into monsters and I have no fucking clue what's that supposed to achieve.
I just don't care as much if a videogame happens to have an awful plot though. That's just par for the course. Rarely do actual (professional) writers get employed in videogames. No wonder their stories and dialogues are awful.
Image

User avatar
Jack
Broken Smile
Posts: 492
Joined: Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:09 pm

Re: Lesser known 3d action games?

Post by Jack »

, the reason it doesen't make any sense it's because it tries to establish a time loop where Hyde wants to go back to time zero to gain power (somehow), but maya brea travelling inside aya's body (somehow) when she's killed by special forces (it's not established why they're there LOL) as a reaction to hyde's plot is what causes the time loop in the first place.
I swear just reading about the plot makes me laugh. I only ever played Turd Bday through emulation, same case with Xenoblade 1. I feel that you don't really get the true experience unless you actually play it on the physical system. I gradually stopped playing Turd Bday coz I just couldn't put up with the plot anymore. It's not exactly a plot that you could just ignore. I quit Xenoblade 1 for the opposite reason. I got up to the part where Fiora gets murdered-the-fuck-out of her own fucking game right in the first fucking hour, and I was like WOOOOOAAHHHHAHAAHAHHH! That shit blows my fucking mind! LOL!

I can't play this anymore. Xenoblade is too epic. I'll have to wait until I get it on New 3ds. I did receive the New 3ds version as a gift, but I couldn't play it coz I didn't upgrade my 3ds. I bought a PS4 instead.

LOL, this is why XB elitists hate XB2. This is a comparison of the first major deaths that influence the rest of their respective games.

Dude though, as bad as Rex's acting is. At least Haze's death which happens much later makes up for everything. Her death gets to me coz her immediate-twitch reaction after being suddenly impaled to death is to gently caress the face of her murderer & even her murder gets shocked by that reaction and gets emotionally shaken up by her. That's some damn solid scene-direction.


How does the time loop even happen? LOL! This is what I mean when I say it's like a wannabe Xenoblade. Xenoblade sounds nonsensical, but it actually makes a lot of sense its plot is structured around the string theory. There's even a bunch of stupid mumbo jumbo about Jin's super-powered ability where he can maniupulate all particles or some shit and move beyond light-speed, but his ability is immediately cancelled out by the awakening of Pneuma who has the ability to create worlds (It's an ability from the Monado sword in XB1.) Which screws around with Jin's sense of time coz she's creating new slightly different realities that interfere with Jin's sense of time, and all of this happens just so some stupid little Kingdom Heart-reject (Rex) can find a split-second opening to stab Jin, lol. It's such fucking over the top anime bullshit, but it actually makes sense. :lol: :lol: !


I happily gulp down all of this insanity only due to how it falls in line with the string theory machinations that the entire plot seems to be based around. Basically that monolith from 2001 Space Oddysey has the ability to create entire universes and shit, but it has the side-effect of deleting the current universe to make room for the birth of a new one. Oh, and also whomever uses this piece of shit block, becomes God & creator of that world. OO H OOH, but you don't even need to actually be the one who activated the stone. You could just be one of the few survivors who was in the room when it activated and you too will become some badass god bitch.
Image

Ok, it works fo me, lol! It all works for me coz it makes sense as a meta narrative where 6d beings (there's 10 dimensions of perspective) are being portrayed as gods within a 2d setting, we the players are the 3d observers & we're seeing multiple timelines (4D) playing out through the XB games. We never see a being who exist above 10d, so there's no actual gods within the setting. Just pretenders to the throne.

It works for me. XB games make sense within the ruleset of string theory. There's even elements of the Mandela-effect since XB2 & XB1 directly releate to each other but it's not revealed to you until XB2's finale where you actually hear Shulk killing the final boss from his game which results in the death of the god from XB2. (XB2's god is chill, and seemed like a cool guy.)
PE3 in comparison doesn't make fucking sense at all.

You know what else doesn't make sense? God of War 4. You destroy the world in GOW3 but apparently Kratos is able to just walk to the next country and act like nothing ever happened lol. The amazing part to me is that gamers are so fucking dumb that they happily eat this shit up.
You're so damn right when you say that gaming is just another social status-stripe, otherwise how would GOW4 not get rightfully called out for being fucking stupid?

What law is GOW 4 even following? SMT & Xenoblade games use a variation of the String-Theory.
Final Fantasy uses a rule where only same numbered games take place in the same universe. (Final Fantasy 4, FF 4 The After years, FFX, FFX-2, FFXIII,XIII-2, Lightning Returns)
I just consider GOW 4 as a reboot since that's exactly what it is but hardcore 'Gow' fans swear it's the same exact continuity, coz yeah somehow the same psycho Krators from Gow1-Ascension is obviously the same guy in GOW4. "People Change you bigot!" They don't change that much, you fucking morons. God damn I fucking hate gamers. There's a reason why they say that once you've killed, you never go back.
I know this through 2nd hand experince just from all of the countless Military people I've met. Especially Marines, who are usually mentally-broken due to what they've survived.

Kratos was mentally-broken as fuck ever since we first saw him. That's what made him interesting. We were playing through the descent of a dead man, who's still walking. That was the poing of his story, his tale eventually ends in death which is exactly what happened in GOW3.
OOOOPS GOW 4 retconned that, LOL!

Oh I'm not defending the third birthday's plot. It is very much idiotic

That's not what I argued. I argued that there's a huge difference between PE2's inoffensive plot, and Turd Birthday. PE2's plot is basically a throw-away story that damn near every franchise has by the time it gets to their 4rth or 5th installment. It's basically just a random sequel from Deathwish or Rocky 5. A story that didn't need to be told, but we're shown it anyway coz they ran out of ideas.
Turd Birthday has practically nothing to do with Parasite Eve. Turd Birthday took an existing series, but replaced it with Motomu Toriyama's fan fiction. His Aya brea is basically Lightning anyway, but an impure Lightning who gets killed in her own story before the game even starts, LOL!


I don't ask for much. Tomonobu Itagaki basically makes up a bunch of random bullshit but he is actually one of the better game writers, because his plots are filled with lore,in-game history & myths that are told through a simplistic story that happens due to the lore. (NG1 happens due to clan on clan warfare. LOL in the DOA games, Kasumi was being hunted down by the Hayabusa clan until they suddenly dropped that plot after Itagaki got kicked out.)
Itagaki games are always steeped with so much (made-up) history & lore that happens before the game even begins but it works because it helps you piece together when these games happened and why they happened. Even though Itagaki is just making shit up as he goes along.

Ryu was killing vampire werewolves before NG2 starts, and you even see a different clan of werewolves terrorizing Paris during the actual game. In Sigma 2, the same clan he destroyed tried to take over Japan while Ryu was in Europe but Rachel was in Japan for some reason (prob a one-night stand with Ryu lol.) and she hunted them all down.
No wait I think that was Momiji who killed of the remnants of the Vamp-Werewolves, lol. Rachel killed off the final survivors of the Empire that you destroyed in NG1 but were trying to get revenge and they invade Japan while Ryu was away, only to be destroyed by Rachel.

See it's very simple writing, but it works, it feels large-scale (Epic), and you get a sense of the world's balance of power. Ryu kills the main threats, Momiji kills the threats who weren't even badass enough to get their own game. Rachel destroys the main-faction from the previous game.


I make fun of kingdom heart's plot for having donald duck have epic showdowns with anime characters
Why are you trying to compare a Disney kid's cartoon animu game to a game that started out as a Horror Science-Fiction novel? LOL! Sci-Fi is supposed to be based off of a semblance of reality.
KH does have a plot that hurts me brain, but I don't find it as offensive as PH3. I recall that I eventually just ignored the story while playing through KH2 but I stopped playing when you had to backtrack every where.
Isn't Xehanort supposed to be everyone or something? LOL! That still makes more sense than Turd Birthday. Just reading Turd Birthday's plot makes me laugh. With KH, it just seems like some context is missing.
I'm pretty sure that Xenoblade sounds like it makes no sense at all without context, it's prob the same case with Kingdom Hearts.
Granted it eventually devolves in people time travelling all over the place to the point where the final game is basically about five different versions of the MC fighting five different versions of the villains who all travelled through time as souls and landed in replicant vessels (LOL!) but my purpose was not to argue that kingdom hearts has some fantastic plot, just that a game with mickey mouse and donald duck makes more sense than PE3 and FFXV.
That honestly doesn't sound as bad as Turd Birthday.
If that were Xenoblade, you could easily explain that away as multiple timelines merging, and one of the souls got trapped inside of an artificial blade, or cyborg. This could then lead to an explanation of how Poppi is so randomly high-tech. (In-game, we simply assume that Nopon's are just super smart.) It's coz her personality is not an A.I. construct at all, it's an actual person trapped inside of a machine. I could think of over a dozen cool plots to roll with in KH's plot.

Turd Birthday makes my head hurt coz everything seems to happen to serve Maya Brea, the entire plot happens in service to her, not because of her. It's basically just a dream fantasy where you center the entire plot around someone who doesn't even fucking matter but they do matter coz they're the main character but as a main character she doesn't do anything. It's so fucking frustarating coz this Toriyama gook doesn't seem to understand how to write at all. I don't understand what he's going for. His writing style just sounds like lore, but it's not actually lore. It's the actual story, but it's not really a story coz I'm not witnessing a journey.
Even something like Inland Empire is at least a journey of self-discovery. Toriyama tries to write weird abstract stories like Lynch, but he seems to only care about plot tweeests and the entire plot is written in a way to hide the dumbass plot twist which just makes the story even worse after the plot-twist is revealed :lol: .


Yeah yeah completely off-topic but I think that the original God of War series & both Ninja Gaiden series (Modern & NES) have good plots, and it's their writing, lore & cinematography that's part of the appeal of those franchises.
ImageImage
Va11 Hall-a Faggot: He's such a Chad. I bet he fucks an Asian bitch every night.
CapN Jack: Who the fuk These moFuggaz? :lol:

Post Reply