by 水銀鬼神 » Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:53 am
cj_iwakura wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 12:30 am
I definitely think the "women are all the same" scene is
meant to be problematic, the politician saying it is clearly a scumbag.
Yeah, I know. It was a quick way to communicate that the politician is a self centered asshole. Still, you could remove the entire clear intention of the scene and judge it merely for being problematic.
Just like you can remove the fact killing the innocent girls in that scene has the purpose of depicting Travis as a raging asshole who wouldn't mind killing innocent people, and that GHM didn't have much tact with America's social issues back in the day, they couldn't understand that picking especifically black girls as a target wouldn't age well. When you forget that, yeah it sure looks bad. But it had an intention and a lot of the problematic crap in that scene is the result of different ages, different standards.
player1 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 11:33 pm
Do we really live in a time where we defend a fucking assassin? Like we say that when Garcian kills people it's ok that black man kills people for some reason and that's not fucking racist, but when we kill a black assassin as a white assassin then IT IS problematic? They ALL are assassins. If anything, they're SCUM to normal people. As white politicians. They were never portrayed as good guys, politicians as a whole. They ARE scum, they DON'T care about people. You're not supposed to self-insert into Travis either. Just because Suda started to pander to fans who think that Travis is literally them, he's a simp who killed people for a woman. He's not a cool guy, he's a pathetic dude.
Yeah, Travis is meant to be relatable in a self-critical form, not as the "cool uncle" he became in NMH3. In No More Heroes 2, even if Travis is a better person than he was in 1, is still a fucking asshole and Alice Moonlight's fight is meant to force him to reflect on that. And most of these minors who were talking shit hardly know how to understand the difference between depicting problematic topics and endorsing them. That scene sure lacks tact if you consider the current standards, but I think it's a product of its time first and foremost. Just like Ashley in Resident Evil 4 or The Witcher games making you collect cards of nude women you had sex with. Playing old games also means you are consistently exposed to how culture used to work in the past, which means you might see shit that doesn't please you. I just think it's too big of a hysteria for shit we can find in any M rated game of the era.
[quote=cj_iwakura post_id=3285 time=1678062652 user_id=248]
I definitely think the "women are all the same" scene is [i]meant[/i] to be problematic, the politician saying it is clearly a scumbag.
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Yeah, I know. It was a quick way to communicate that the politician is a self centered asshole. Still, you could remove the entire clear intention of the scene and judge it merely for being problematic.
Just like you can remove the fact killing the innocent girls in that scene has the purpose of depicting Travis as a raging asshole who wouldn't mind killing innocent people, and that GHM didn't have much tact with America's social issues back in the day, they couldn't understand that picking especifically black girls as a target wouldn't age well. When you forget that, yeah it sure looks bad. But it had an intention and a lot of the problematic crap in that scene is the result of different ages, different standards.
[quote=player1 post_id=3282 time=1678059221 user_id=75]
Do we really live in a time where we defend a fucking assassin? Like we say that when Garcian kills people it's ok that black man kills people for some reason and that's not fucking racist, but when we kill a black assassin as a white assassin then IT IS problematic? They ALL are assassins. If anything, they're SCUM to normal people. As white politicians. They were never portrayed as good guys, politicians as a whole. They ARE scum, they DON'T care about people. You're not supposed to self-insert into Travis either. Just because Suda started to pander to fans who think that Travis is literally them, he's a simp who killed people for a woman. He's not a cool guy, he's a pathetic dude.
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Yeah, Travis is meant to be relatable in a self-critical form, not as the "cool uncle" he became in NMH3. In No More Heroes 2, even if Travis is a better person than he was in 1, is still a fucking asshole and Alice Moonlight's fight is meant to force him to reflect on that. And most of these minors who were talking shit hardly know how to understand the difference between depicting problematic topics and endorsing them. That scene sure lacks tact if you consider the current standards, but I think it's a product of its time first and foremost. Just like Ashley in Resident Evil 4 or The Witcher games making you collect cards of nude women you had sex with. Playing old games also means you are consistently exposed to how culture used to work in the past, which means you might see shit that doesn't please you. I just think it's too big of a hysteria for shit we can find in any M rated game of the era.
