Suda's Other Stuff: Reborn

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Re: Suda's Other Stuff: Reborn

by CENSORED » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:11 am

HOUSELANDER wrote: Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:10 am
there really isn't a need for such a distinction


You're right,i was planning to cover other games that not made by Suda with "KTP" themes in (Outlast 2 Lol) but i give up,its a waste of time there are many games with these kind of writing anyway & thats not what makes the Suda KTP verse interesting only i mean its only small part of it. I'm talking about persona 2 Innocent sins.
Because in Outlast 2 the protagonist locked his bad memories about witnesing one of his female friend being molested by a priest back when he was a kid & he remember it again after lurking around in that horror village.sounds similar to how tatsuya & friends remember their bad memories about maya on that cave near the Shrine they always hangout back when they was a kid & how Garcian find out the whole truth after exploring the school & the hotel again.remembering back the past memories by visiting the place where the protagonist used to live/be.
Well the one thing I want to cover on the website that isn't ghm related is the danganronpa games. I won't cover them in too much detail though, I'll just go through the series in one editorial, mostly because there's a lot of overlap in terms of staff; Akihiko Ishizaka was the art director and Masafumi Takada was the composer and sound designer for GHM from 1999 to 2008, both of them worked on the danganronpa series, you can especially see it in Danganronpa 2's jabberwock island which looks straight out of flower sun and rain. It is even described as PARADISE lol. The spin-off title, ultra despair girls more or less plays like a killer7 mobile spin-off would have.
It also has some thematic overlap. To the point where I consider Danganronpa to be an introduction to the themes that were previously presented in the silver case games & FSR, ideal for a slightly younger audience. ("HOPE" and "DESPERAIR" are obviously more relatable motifs to a younger audience than "TERRORISM" and "LAW & ORDER" lol. Considering most people in their 40s aren't aware of how a state structure works in the first place.)

Other than that though, I'm not really interested in covering videogame writing or videogames at all. I'm moving on to other projects, which include writing theater plays & possibly movies (if they get picked up. The theater play stuff is already set in stone for november.)
A friend of mine wants me to write a youtube series about twin peaks for him but I'm not sure that's ever going to happen, I'd have fun writing it but I don't think he'll ever actually find the time to do it. I could write endlessly about old movies or old tv shows as I actually have some education on film (movie critics are somehow paid for their writing despite them not knowing how a camera looks like) but there's just about the same audience for that, than there is about dumb ass suda51 videogames noone gives a shit about lol.

EDIT: if what you're asking is where you should post about thematic similarities between KTP games and other videogames on the forums, I'd say put it in the videogames general forum

Re: Suda's Other Stuff: Reborn

by HOUSELANDER » Thu Oct 15, 2020 2:10 am

there really isn't a need for such a distinction


You're right,i was planning to cover other games that not made by Suda with "KTP" themes in (Outlast 2 Lol) but i give up,its a waste of time there are many games with these kind of writing anyway & thats not what makes the Suda KTP verse interesting only i mean its only small part of it. I'm talking about persona 2 Innocent sins.
Because in Outlast 2 the protagonist locked his bad memories about witnesing one of his female friend being molested by a priest back when he was a kid & he remember it again after lurking around in that horror village.sounds similar to how tatsuya & friends remember their bad memories about maya on that cave near the Shrine they always hangout back when they was a kid & how Garcian find out the whole truth after exploring the school & the hotel again.remembering back the past memories by visiting the place where the protagonist used to live/be.

Re: Suda's Other Stuff: Reborn

by CENSORED » Sun Oct 04, 2020 12:08 pm

HOUSELANDER wrote: Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:44 am If nmh is not part if the KTP games,i can put it on a "Non KTP games but with KTP themes" categories because thats how the story of the first NMH game is especially near the end of the game.i don't know if other Suda games that not in the KTP verse but still had KTP themes in it.
No More Heroes actually takes place within the same world as the silver case now, so there really isn't a need for such a distinction
A Kamui Uehara (specifically the one from the 25th ward) is a main character in Travis Strikes Again and NMH3

Re: Suda's Other Stuff: Reborn

by HOUSELANDER » Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:44 am

If nmh is not part if the KTP games,i can put it on a "Non KTP games but with KTP themes" categories because thats how the story of the first NMH game is especially near the end of the game.i don't know if other Suda games that not in the KTP verse but still had KTP themes in it.

Re: Suda's Other Stuff: Reborn

by CENSORED » Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:44 am

Summary for the original champion road:


Champion Road Beyond:

Re: Suda's Other Stuff: Reborn

by CENSORED » Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:42 am

Suda51's DLC for the new super fire pro wrestling game is coming out today, though it's apparently 30 euros (which is codeword for I'll wait until the cutscenes are on youtube)

EDIT: It's out now for 8 euros, I have no clue why it was listed as 30 euros on japanese sources lol

Re: Suda's Other Stuff: Reborn

by Iwazaru » Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:37 am

There is no general merchandise page; when you choose game (TSC or FSR etc.), in menu that appears there is merchandise section which leads to each page of book or whatever is connected.

It's still two clicks, kinda. Like this:
step 1: https://www.paradisehotel51.com/sin/the-silver-case/ (chosen game)
step 2: https://www.paradisehotel51.com/sin/tsc-merchandise/ (merchandise section for game)
From which you then choose what ya need, like https://www.paradisehotel51.com/sin/201 ... -4-5-face/

Re: Suda's Other Stuff: Reborn

by Jack » Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:04 am

Maybe not Killer 7. I always a assumed it was meant to be in the same world as Killer 7, because the guy Travis kills at the end of the first game is suppose to be Garcian, and there is also ZakaTV. This does connect the 25th wards to NMH though.
That was more of a reference or an easter egg like Ed macalister in K7. Although I think Ed was meant to be a story character back when Sundance was supposed to be in it.
25 Wards does connect back to Twilight Syndrome so the supernatural does exist in that setting. Chisato & Yayoi can pull off crazy Dragon ball Z bullshit so they wouldn't be that out of place with NMH.
I always assumed that the Chiasato sister super powers were just a mental delusion though, and this is my problem with connecting NMH with the rest of the universe. The previous TS/MS/SC/K7 games had a David Lynch vibe, which focused more on the dark side of society, and how normalized it actually is within the Japanese government. Killer7 shows that it's not just Japan, it's practically every government that's corrupt as hell.
I put it under merchandise, because it's an actual book you had to buy. It's linked on the merchandise page of every game on the list because it has artwork from all of them so it's not like it's hard to find.
Again if someone is that stupid (not talking about you, I mean the average user) that they can't navigate pages labelled as clearly and concisely as "analysis" or "merchandise" after I also explain how they should navigate the site on the front page, I am ok if they don't stick around,

I don't see a Merch page.
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(No, this site doesn't actually slown down muh Mac. It's just giving me that message to see what I could improve on. I don't know how to turn it off.)

I'm from the old school of website making, where you're expected to have the main subjects on the front page, and everything else being only 2 or so clicks away.
It's the webdesigner's job to make the surfing experience as expedient as possible. If I'm left having to figure out how it works. Chance are I'll just click out coz nobody got time for that shit.
I'm pretty sure that Krizz never saw that RGB page either, coz it really is hard to navigate lol.

Even though the previous layout I made, was hated by the k7 fans, I liked it coz everything was easy to find since the navigation is in your face and it had drop down menus that led to subsections which would've took you directly to that content, had the content been made. (Music Archive was meant to be a merch page.)
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Now granted, it looked the way it did coz I was trying to transition it away from gaming. (I just made it use the same exact layout that I had for my site, which I never uploaded. It was a lifestyle site, but that's outdated in Le Current Decade, coz modern life is about being a Faggot-activist or something weird & geeky like that.)
Although honestly it was too late for that. Motherfuckers have been telling me to drop the gaming gayness since at least 2011.
Even back then when I quit writing content for the site around 2009, the overall general GHM fanbase were annoying as fuck social-misfits, just as they are today.

Well not so much the social-misfit part. The misfits (Typical Internet-meme cringe humor, Nerd culture, LGBT gaming culture, etc.) became en vouge, and now I'm the misfit :lol: .
The problem with that layout though, it wasn't compatible with mobile phones. Fuck mobile phones. I can't believe so many people use phones to surf the net. I rarely use muh phone outside of payments, since I use mine like a credit card.
I remember when NMH1 treated a secret twin brother as a plot twist so stupid, that the narrative fell apart because the characters inside the game were making fun of it.
Nowadays Travis Touchdown owns a giant mech suit, a kamen rider suit, a magic videogame console that houses a tiger god that will make your wishes come true and also a kaiju, and he's now gonna fight aliens from outer space and this happens right next to Kamui Uehara who is now Travis's friend since he defeated him with the power of friendship. This is all presented as a plot that you're sorta meant to take seriously, or at least at face value since it now has continuity and recurring characters.
I can understand the appeal of that as a parody. It's just a shame coz Suda51's games actually did start out as some kind of David Lynchian-styled universe. Now it's just random Family Guy styled insert Funny-internet meme crap.
Then again, even David Lynch's own works are dumbed down as "Teh Twin Peaks guy, Datz a nice cupppa coffee! Insert funny meme face, with funny meme text. Love me, I have no personality of my own so I rely on memes that other people witll like & retweet coz they know the meme too."
:P

Meanwhile there's Xenoblade 2, an extremely anime game, yet it almost always has great quotes pointing out just how fucking retarded humanity is.
Nia: You started a war. Wanting to save lives, you ended up losing lives. How backwards is that?
Malos: ”Watch humans closely and you'll learn one thing. Deep down they wish they were dead. They kill each other like they swat flies. Running towards oblivion like blind rats. They see the divine flame of life and piss over it. They're geniuses at that. In a class of their own, really."
Zeke: I swear, you lend these people a hand, and they want the whole bloody arm.
Azurda: It's easy to disregard things beyond your own control, and direct your anger at targets closer to hand.
What I like is that a lot of these quotes are just random quips making fun of the person they're speaking to, yet it's much more insightful than the entirety of the plot from most Western games, like Mass Effect 1 - 3 & Andromeda lol!

I really don't understand why Suda doesn't just turn Silver Case into some Detective rpg like the Hunting sidequests from Witcher 3. I'm not even asking for something as big budget as that, it's just that if Deadly Premonition can do it, why can't GHM? They actually have a setting that's worth the open world and would transition well to action rpg. At least you can get away with shit combat under the Arpg banner. Just ask Bioware, that's all they ever do.

Re: Suda's Other Stuff: Reborn

by CENSORED » Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:57 pm

So what did they retcon to make the two settings fit together? Silver Case & Killer7 don't even fully align to begin with coz K7 is meant to be a completely different alternate reality that acheived world peace. Silver Case is more in line with our timeline. (Pre 2008)
Anyway to answer your question. Killer7 is still treated as its own continuity (all the K7 characters in TSA would have been dead by the time that game takes place)
What they did, was retcon a Dan Smith sidestory called Killer is Dead so that it acts as the prologue to TSA. Dan Smith is coming to kill a guy called Shigeki Birkin (aka Badman) in that short story; the intro to TSA picks up with Dan coming to kill him, and Badman becomes the co-protagonist of TSA. Hence why Dan Smith shows up, Curtis Blackburn and Christopher Mills are mentioned, but nobody else from K7 shows up.

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